From Symptom-Chasing to Sticky Results
In this bonus episode of the Unreal Results Podcast, I sat down with LTAP™ Level 1 alum and fellow athletic trainer, Jen Tirillo (aka JT the AT), owner of Concentric Care and Wellness in Connecticut.
With over 20 years of experience in athletic training, plus certifications in yoga, strength training, and more Jen shares her journey of stepping outside the traditional sports medicine “box” and finding a system that finally made everything click.
We talk about:
Why she was drawn to LTAP™ after years of feeling like something was missing.
How shifting from chasing symptoms to a whole-systems assessment approach has given her clients results that stick.
The power of validating what patients already know to be true about their bodies.
A case story of a veteran whose decades of pain shifted when unseen layers of her history were revealed.
How LTAP™ integrates with other trainings, like the Missy Bunch neurology mentorship, and why it’s not just “another tool” but a framework that makes alltools more effective.
The importance of reps, trust in your hands, and doing the personal work as a practitioner to truly support clients.
Whether you’re in private practice, working with athletes, or just curious about bringing a more whole-human approach into your clinical care, this conversation is packed with insight and inspiration.
Resources Mentioned In This Episode
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Anna Hartman: Hey there, just dropping in with another episode. Bonus episode of the Unreal Results Podcast. Today I hopped into the Missing Links private Facebook group and did an interview with another ltap Level one alumni. Uh, this time a fellow athletic trainer. Uh, Jen. Jt, the a t is her what I know her by from Instagram.
Uh, she owns the business, concentric Care, uh, wellness Concentric, concentric Care and Wellness in Connecticut. Uh, so she's a private practice athletic trainer with, um, a lot of years of experience and she joined me in. The Durham course this past May, as well as did the online course this past spring. So it was such a great opportunity to catch up with her and hear how she's been doing and how she's been integrated into work.
And uh, yeah, it was just a great conversation. I hope you enjoy.
hello to my friend, uh, Jen. Um. Thank you for being here. I'm gonna let you do your own little intro just so I don't mess anything up. But, um, I have you in our Facebook group, um, to talk about your experience going through the, uh, LTAP level one courses.
And how you utilize it with your practice. And because today is the first day, just to remind everybody, the doors are open to the fall cohort of the online course. And, um, today is the day to get in and get all the bonuses. So I'm offering a bunch of bonuses for everybody today. Um, and so I'm trying to give you as much information as you all need to like, make the decision.
So with that, without further ado, you wanna introduce yourself.
Jenn Tirillo: Yeah, for sure. Thanks Anna. My name's Jen and I am an athletic trainer. Uh, that has been my trade for over 20 years, but um, over the course of that time I've added yoga, um, I've added strength and conditioning and some other fun certifications.
And over that time I've always found that I didn't fit the traditional sports medicine. Mold. Mm-hmm. Um, it was too much of like a box and I, that, that was hard for me. And, you know, I learned a lot and had great experience, but I always knew that there was more in terms of assessing my patients, working with my patients.
Um. Just looking at a deeper level. Mm-hmm. And, you know, it's, it's a little challenging as, you know, like in the traditional sports medicine realm to kind of travel outside of that box. Mm-hmm. We're not, it's not built for being curious. It's like putting out fires and, you know, it really didn't. Happen or the space didn't present itself until going into my own private practice, and I am a naturally curious person and I love knowledge.
And for whatever reason, I began to see some of your content and. You know, over probably two or three years mm-hmm. Podcasts and just picking up freebies. Um, I'm like, I need to figure out how to make this happen. And so I completed the online, uh, earlier this year and then I was a part of the Durham. Um, cohort in May, and I mean, it was everything I expected it to be, which was lovely.
Um, and I think what drew me to the Ltap is we focus so much on tools and techniques and treatment strategies, but do we ever hone our assessment skills? Mm-hmm. And. You know, as an athletic trainer, we look musculoskeletal, we go to the source and then we're like, oh, I've evolved. Now I'm looking at the root cause.
So it's not just a knee. We need to look at the hip and we need to look at the foot. Okay, cool. We're growing. I think that's important, but there's more. And I think I know from integrating. A systems approach and looking at that person who's in front of me and looking at them from a systems approach, as you put it, the results that you get.
Are more sticky. Mm-hmm. You can have great tools. You could be a wonderful manual therapist, you could be amazing at your exercise prescription, but there's something to be said when you work with an individual at a higher level. Mm-hmm. They can do that anywhere. Mm-hmm. Anyone can do that. And it's pulling in these, these pieces that are unique and.
It's helpful as a business owner, but also as a practitioner. I wanna show up for my people and a lot of people come my way. They've done the traditional rehab or they've done group fitness, whatever it is. I'm like in that middle kind of bridging the gap between that rehab piece and you know, going to the gym on your own.
They need a little bit of handholding. Mm-hmm. And they can do anywhere. Yeah. And the differences is treating from a whole system approach. Yeah. I think the stickiness part too, that you said is so interesting and so important be because. You also know those, those clients, those patients, they already probably feel like they've wasted some of their time.
Yeah. Um, or that's maybe some of these manual therapy or some of these exercises are a waste of time. And so you're very cognizant of like you want to provide a level of service. That sticks so that you're not wasting their time, you're not wasting their money. Like they don't have to be in like rehab purgatory.
You can get them back on the field. And so, um, I think that's so important, especially when you're like doing private practice stuff. Absolutely. And, and it, the buy-in piece is not. As hard as one would think. Mm-hmm. Sometimes they'll be like, okay, I am gonna try to some different like woo woo stuff. All right.
And they're like, Jen, I, I'm already on board, do whatever. Like, I just wanna feel better and I just wanna feel better. And, you know, for me it just aligns with my treatment philosophy. It aligns with the yoga piece in me that looks at people from a holistic standpoint. I, I even use some of the tools that we learned in Ltap.
In my yoga classes too. Yeah. So I use it in assessment, but we use the heck out of a courageous ball in my yoga classes. Um, yeah, I mean, I feel like the tools that I've gained both through online and being in person has really been transformative for my practice. It's really fed my natural curiosity, which I love.
Um, but also, you know, my patient population is just like I, whatever. Yeah, that works. Yeah, they're into it. I don't know how that worked, but I trust you. Yeah. I mean, and that's so like oftentimes, and this is when it goes back to the results that stick is like our patients aren't dumb. When they start feeling better and immediately and it stays, they're like, I don't care what you do.
Like, you make me feel better. Like you can tell me to like, you know, I don't even know, like. Go smell this essential oil. Yeah. They're like, okay, yeah, okay. Whatever you say. And so it's like, yeah, they really, yeah. They don't really care what model you are using. They care about the results and they care about how they're feeling.
And so it's like, yeah. And to them, it's interesting because a whole organism approach, like looking at the whole body and looking at it as like even from a nervous system approach and just from a whole like threat bucket approach. It makes actually more sense to them than it does to practitioners because they've never actually gone through.
Very many science classes and things that did deduce the body to parts, to them. We, they've always been one whole piece. And so it's only the doctors, it's only the practitioners that are telling them like it's parts. And so when you give them permission to go back to that like full whole organism, everything matters sort of view, they're like, oh yeah, that actually resonates more in my body.
Like that resonates that like. You know, something that happened to me years ago, or just the general level of stress would have such an impact on my wellbeing because they feel it in their body. And then you're giving them that permission to be able to trust what their body's feeling and follow that.
Yep, yep. I was actually just about to say, you're validating what they already know to be true. Mm-hmm. And unfortunately, they don't get that kind of validation. Mm-hmm. Typically, you know, I'll get a, someone who will say, you know, I've been to, you know, they'll list out all the practitioners. Well, there's not really much we can do.
I had a referral, um, from the va and so we have a local veterans, um, facility and. A former PT colleague of mine sent her to me and for red light therapy and what have you. But yeah, but it segued into some other things and you know, as a veteran, I was surprised that she hadn't unpacked yet the stuff.
Yeah, that had happened. I don't know, when was Kuwait? Like 30 years ago? Old ago. I, it's a long memory ago. I think I was a junior high schooler, so I was gonna say I was in school. I remember. But anyway, she served, um, overseas and, you know, just by going through the work that we were doing and just the ltap assessment and where it was bringing me, it was bringing me up to her, um, like her plural dome area and into her throat.
And she had inhaled. Gas. Mm. Yeah. When she was serving and you know, so there's these things that get unpacked and she's like, I didn't even think about that until we did the assessment. Mm-hmm. On what kind of impact this could have had. On the pain that I've been experiencing for for 30 years, 25 years, 30 years, exactly.
So it's wild that you can kind of peel away information that they've just kind of like let go and like it's not important. No one else thought it was important. Yeah, important. Yeah. So important. Clearly, if it's like the first layer that's coming up too, it's like the body is telling you this is important and we've been protecting it for a while and not able to deal with it and like how can you help it out?
Right, right. That's, it's, it's been a pretty cool process with her specifically. She's responded really, really well, um, to the ltap. Um, so yeah, I, it's, it's pretty cool, like when we like get a result, I be like, that's awesome. Right? It's so fun. Like every patient. So much fun. Again, I love that it's, it's fun to share together.
Um, speaking of one of the things I wanted to have you talk about, um, because I do get a lot of questions of it, is you've taken Missy bunches of like neurology, uh, mentorship or mentorship. Yep. Yeah. And um, and even in the Durham class when we were doing the lab where we. Um, our person on the second day with the full L Ltap, you used a lot of the neurology drills Yeah.
From Missy's treatments, and so I get a lot of questions from people who are either in her mentorship currently or have taken it in the past and like wondering number one. How different it is. And then number two, like how you integrate it. And so, um, uh, you know, obviously I know what I tell people, but I would love to hear your thoughts on how it's different and how you integrate 'em together.
For sure. I mean, I think they support one another. I think they are interwoven, um, in one another. Um, you know, in terms of like the cranial nerves. Working with Missy, there's a lot of assessment. Yes. But there's a lot of, we use this assessment to figure out what treatment strategy we'll use. Mm-hmm. And when you have an understanding of the nervous system and kind of the trickle down effect when you get to the ltap and you are recognizing this visceral, somatic connection, like you can use some of the tools that you used in the mentor or learned in the mentorship.
I just think of like trigeminal stuff. Mm-hmm. So much. And I know I've listened to your podcasts and like trigeminal nerve is like such a high payoff. Mm-hmm. And we learn all about it. Mm-hmm. Just in a different lens. Yeah. From, from Missy and. I feel like the two strategies really compliment one another, but you also learn tools for your toolbox.
Whereas Ltap is, like you say, it's an assessment. Mm-hmm. You figure out where to go. Yeah. And then use the tools that you need. Yeah. And I know that was probably, I think it was one of the questions recently, well how do you know what tools? Yeah. It just depends. Mm-hmm. It just depends. Like I'm an athletic trainer, I have certain tools, but I also have other tools from other professional development.
A craniosacral person has different tools. Mm-hmm. It's more of a matter of going to the right spot. Yes. And then weaving in the right, the tools that you know and feel comfortable with. And so Missy provided me with a lens of looking at things in a hierarchy, which has been transformative. And provided also tools mm-hmm.
That can assist when I get guided towards a body part. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. And the, I think it's important too in what, what Missy's tools are, and I think why. Is confusing for people because I'm like, this is assessment. Those are tools, but because there's assessments within her tools, right? And some of exactly what you said, when we know where to go, then we get to choose whatever tools we use.
The tools include further assessments. As well as treatment tools, because the further we can assess it, the more we can get specific on what treatment tool to choose. Right? Like, and so that's kind of how I always like give the example, and this is why we have like I'm creating like future levels of the ltap is because it's like, yeah, I'm giving you, I'm narrowing it in.
But we can get even narrower by getting even more precise with our treatment. I mean our assessment so we can get more precise with our treatment, but it's. There's no point in getting more precise with your assessment if you don't have the treatment tools to go with it. So it's like, yeah, they, they do come together.
And that is both what Missy's mentorship provides as well as like the Brawl Institute. Yeah. And I think when people ask me about the difference between Missy's mentorship and then the, the ltap is like exactly that. Like they're complimentary to each other, just like any other tool. Like this is what I love about the Ltap.
You can use any other. System in it, and it makes that system better. Um, right. And also very different because if you look at Missy and like Z Health and the functional neurology world, they base where to start on a sub, a very sub thorough subjective history. Mm-hmm. And I'm telling you the opposite of like, I don't actually really care what their subjective.
Don't ask questions, don't ask questions. 'cause I get all the information I need from the objective information the body's giving me because the body. Records, everything that has ever happened to us our whole life. So it is telling me everything I need to know just without the story attached to it. And so that's a very different piece of it.
And, and, um, and you have to have a level of trust Exactly. As, as, as the way that you like lay out your treatment strategies is if you don't have trust. In what you feel and in your skillset, then you rely on the story and their history. Yeah. A little bit more. But as you trust your hands, and that was one of my biggest takeaways.
Yeah. From the in-person was the reps. You gotta keep feeling it. Stop rechecking it. Mm-hmm. Feel what you feel. Yeah. And say, okay. I felt that I didn't make it up and I felt it. And carry on. Yeah, carry on. Don't doubt yourself. Which was so valuable. Mm-hmm. Yes. It really highlights how much we doubt ourselves, which mm-hmm.
At the end of the day, highlights how much pressure we put on ourselves to be the expert and to use our thinking mind, and when we can just get out of our own freaking way, we actually do that when we're not the expert. We don't know anything. And I tell them very similar to what you say is your body is the.
The, the teacher and the tool. Yes. I'm just like, Hey, let's work on this. Let's go this way. Let, yeah. It's a support system. I love that. So good. Um. What other things did I wanna cover in this? Um, talked about Missy, we talked about Ltap. Um, well, and you, you kind of touched on how you did both the online and the in person.
Yeah. Um, I know you had a couple weeks left of the online when Yeah. You came to the in, in-person. So you had most of the information first going in. Yes. Um, and you know, and you just said it too, like how important the reps were. Um, yeah. I guess you need the hands on. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can't, it's a manual technique and I think the online is excellent in the sense that it could teach you if you're a, an auditory listener.
Great. Um, and you have to have the discipline to like get your hands on people. I, I appreciated that. Like, make a list of how many people that you've done, like, you know, ltap one on like, that was great. Yeah. But it's something different than when you're face to face with another human and there's an energetic exchange and you know you can actually get a different sensation.
For me, I know it's chicken or the egg for people. I liked having a basis of knowledge first. Yeah. Because I have that weird like perfectionist thing of like, I need to know what I'm doing first so I don't look stupid. Yeah. So I liked it. I liked it, but I know, I think I listened to a podcast of another alumni.
He liked the afterwards, learning afterwards. Yeah. So I think it's a personal thing. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's very personal too. And it does come back to like the type of learner you are and how you like to be in class. Like I'm like him, like I'd rather just dive into the in-person class and like Yeah, figure it out.
And then s. Add in studying after to figure out, you know, to get the details. Mm-hmm. Um, some people are more like you and like they want the study materials before the course so that they go in with like a little bit of a base of knowledge of what to expect. Yeah. And like Yeah. You know, to know something first.
Yeah. And I actually, that's kind of like why I also love that. Well, that's part of. To me, that's part of like why I'm so big on giving lifetime access to the online course is because one, you get to do it any way you want. I'm not gonna put you in a box and say, you have to do the online first before you do the in person.
And I'm not gonna tell you vice versa. Um, and also, and you can probably attest to this, even though I taught the exact same thing in the in-person course, you probably heard it differently. Mm-hmm. Because you're the person. Well, the body's in the room. Yeah, the body's in the room. I say the different things every time I teach.
Right. And so, right. Learning, getting, not just like getting the repetitions in your hands from a practical standpoint, um, but the repetitions of hearing it over and over again Yeah. Are so important. I think that's important. Mm-hmm. Is, is all of the above because it is just, it's something you have to. Do.
Mm-hmm. It's not just some letters to put after your name, I did this course. Like no, it actually becomes a part of your practice. Mm-hmm. And so I know for me, if I wanted. To, I don't know, like I wanted to actually live what my core values are and that's treating a whole person. Yeah. Like then I have to like put my money where my mouth is and actually do that.
And I actually wanna call out a, a quick little point, and if you don't mind, I don't know if it was a social media post, I couldn't find that on, on your podcast, but you spoke recently about, as practitioners we. Mirror or our patients will mirror us. Mm-hmm. And if we come to the table as an unhealed practitioner and we're not confident and we don't think we have any business doing the thing, it's gonna show in our results.
Yeah. Absolutely. And that like hit me hard. Yeah. Like in the very best way I wanted to tell everyone. It's like, listen, like we as practitioners need. To do the work also for ourselves. Mm-hmm. And our clients and our patients will feel that when they're in that space with us. So thank you for that insight.
Yeah, you're welcome. Welcome. It was a good one. Yeah. It's one of those things too that it's like, I recognized it a lot as I was going through the journey of like, um, after I quit my job and started Movement Rev and started this journey on the, like learning how to trust what I felt more than what I thought and.
Um, also, you know, the grief journey of losing my mom and then losing, you know, other like, it was like my mom, my dad, my, my stepdad. Like it was just this l like I learned about polyvagal theory around that time. Like it was just this like ex huge experience that just kept pointing to the fact that the better you took like the whole like.
Uh, airplane thing, like put your own oxygen mask on first before you put it on someone else. Like Right. Fill your own cup before you fill someone else's cup. And it's like, we hear those cliche things and we think, oh, well that doesn't apply to me. Like, I've got so much to do, like I'll take care of myself later.
Right. But when you start to recognize. And learn about the nervous system really is like what really hammered at home. Like I, I started feeling it and seeing it in my results, but then it was like when I learned the neurophysiology basis behind it about co-regulation in the nervous system. Yep. I also had this lens of like, oh, everybody's always told me that I'm really good with babies, kids, and animals.
That means that I kind of already have a type of nervous system that is kind of calm and resilient. Right? Right. And so it's like, oh, interesting. I can recognize when I start to lose that and mm-hmm. My results start to feel a little bit more forced or like more of a struggle. And then I can take that as a mirror to tell me like, Hey Anna, it's time to take care of yourself a little bit.
Time to take a time out. Yeah, time to take a time out because your nervous system is getting dysregulated and so. As the person providing care, it's so important that you have a, a nervous system that can co-regulate with someone. And so just, yeah, when I learned that neurophysiology, it was just like, made so much sense and it just totally changed the way that I communicated and interacted with the person on the table, like from the moment they walked in the door.
But then also it gave me an appreciation for what the LT taps really doing and what, how valuable having an assessment that. Can listen to the body in front of you and let the body guide where to start because it, it is essentially meeting the body where it's at. Mm-hmm. And we see that. You basically see that when you add a prop under somebody, when they're struggling with mobility, whether that mobility be from like scoliosis or like just they don't have mobility.
Like I can, I can sit down in a deep squat during a yoga class and like thug it out and pretend that I feel okay. Yeah. And you see my body start not feeling okay. Yeah. And then if I just slide a yoga block under my butt. And support. That's so much better. Meet the body where I'm at. It's so much better.
Yeah. And it totally changes the experience. And I've, I've, I, over the years I've even seen this with my athletes, like I'll have them lie on their side and I'll be like, you want a pillow? And they're like, no, I'm okay. I don't, nobody, nobody wants to put anybody out, but I just start sliding props underneath them.
Yes. Until I see their whole body be like, oh, I, I need to let their body tell me they're okay. Yeah, before we proceed. Yeah. And that's exactly what the LT a's doing. When we are directing our treatment in the area the body wants, it's like sliding those props under it. So the body gives us that message of like, oh, okay, now I'm ready for treatment.
Yep, yep. And it's just, yeah, it's been such a powerful lens. So I don't know where I, I love that I say it a lot in different ways, in different places. So yes, the, and then, yeah, when I went through my teacher training, when we learned. Or my, my yoga teacher training, we learned, um, we had a whole like block about Byron Katie's work and doing the Self-inquiry pro process and like just how we're mirrors to each other.
And so I like literally took the, I was like, oh my God. That's right. Literally anything I tell anybody else is exactly what I need to hear. Mm-hmm. I just like walked through the world world for like, intentionally for like 2, 3, 4 weeks. Just every time I said something to somebody, I'd pause and I'd be like, oh my God.
Message received, message received, message received. And so, yeah, it's very interesting. And even too, um, the Baral Institute actually talks about that in class. Like sometimes, like if I get three or four patients in a row that come in all with the same. Generalist, you know, the same LA organ or location. I take a step back, I see where you're going.
I'm like, Hmm, that's interesting. If I've got four livers in a row, perhaps I need to do something to my liver, because they're just a mirror to you. And so it's like, yep. I have not considered that and it's happened, you know? Oh. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Message received. Message received. Yes. So, but, so I love that you picked that up from it.
And that's something like, obviously we touch on it in the L top a lot. Because it's like hard to talk about the nervous system and hard to talk about healing without starting to introduce those concepts. And because it, since it is a journey of letting go of that ego, expert driven mindset to like switching to the patient in front of you is the smartest in the room.
Like I tell you all that first day in the in-person class, like whether you realize it or not, you've just signed up for a per personal development journey. And um, it's something that we. That it is the entire, I don't wanna say the entire, but like a main cornerstone or theme of my mentorship program that I haven't offered for a couple years.
But that's like the main theme of it is like, yeah, taking care of yourself. Doing all this work in your own body, it's a certain point in your career. 'cause we're like around the same point in our careers. I don't know if there's like a turning point where you're just like, okay, I need to stop learning things and start working on this system here.
I don't know, but I feel that Yeah. Yeah. Um, you know, doing your own personal work mm-hmm. And appreciating the nervous system and. It's become just kind of second language to me. Yeah. But then you might talk with other colleagues who are in the more, you know, uh, foundational settings and they're still talking the language that I used 10 years ago.
Yeah. And I'm like, we're not talking about this. Yeah. I think, yeah. It's still new. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It's, it's so new. Interesting. It keep spreading the message. Yeah. I'm like, that's why we're Right. Right. I use the rocket ship emojis all the time. Like we're changing the game, we're changing the industry. We're, it's only up from here.
Like you're either like gonna be with us at the front of it, or you're gonna be behind us, but you're gonna be there eventually. It's just a matter of how quickly It's a matter of time. Exactly. Exactly. It's, um, it's always forward marching. There's always more. I'm, and I'm so glad you're a part of it. And um, yeah, hopefully like this is the most exciting part of like, you know, when I do the missing link, I get so many people 'cause it's a free course, so everybody loves the free thing, right?
Like mm-hmm. So you get so many people and I just get so excited because. I'm like, how crazy, like 3000 people raise their hand and they're like, yeah, there's something wrong with the industry. Or like, I know I can get better results, or I know I'm missing something and I wanna see a bigger picture. That just like gets me so fired up like so hopeful for the future of our industry.
But then it's also. There's, and maybe this is because I work with elite athletes and I know you, you have quite a few too. Like there's a difference, like people are like, what's the difference between like a high school athlete and a, a professional athlete? I'm like, their drive, their discipline, their determination and their taking action.
I was like, and that's really what we see during the week is like, I have 3000 people who were excited. Then you have, you know, 70 that actually it shrinks through the course. Shrinks. Yes, exactly. Yeah. It shrinks and it, because it's like we are a very like small group of people who want to constantly do better for ourselves and for our patients.
Right. Period. Like, you know, and it's like, I can try to be nice about it, and I'm like, I hope that's you, whoever's listening to this call. But it's like. It might not be, and that's, there's nothing wrong with it. Like we're in different, it's just not of our life. Right. I'm like, but it's like, yeah, no, I'm like.
Yes. This is my business, so I want people to join the course 'cause it's my business. But more importantly, like I'm here to change the world. Like open your minds up. Right? As cornea as that seems, I mean like, no, I only do this. It's not corny, I'm with you. Right, right. Like, it's like, no, I wanna change the industry and I want you to be there with me.
But I also just want people that are like ready to freaking do it. Yeah. They wanna dig in and there's a certain connection with the message. Yeah, be curious and have fun and be inspired by every patient and like want to continue to learn. And so it's just, and whenever I do the in-person courses and the online courses, whenever I get a new group of people in and I meet them like, just like I met you in Durham, even though we've talked on the internet, like it was like, man, it's so much cooler when you get to all be together.
I know it's just. I, I love it. So, yeah, it's amazing. I think also the, the community that you meet too, I had a conversation with an athletic trainer. She was doing all kinds of stuff with tactical, um, athletes. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And while she hasn't been through Ltap yet. Two of her colleagues have. Yeah. So we like geeked out on that a little bit and it's, I feel like there should be a secret handshake, so let's work on that.
Yeah, we'll work on it. I love that. We'll figure that out. Yeah. Maybe we, maybe if you come to the, um, mentorship seminar LA next year, we'll figure that out. Right. Fantastic. Um. I love that. So, um, I know that we're like off, it's hard. It's so hard. It's so hard not to get off topic 'cause there's so many exciting things that this Yeah.
Opens the door to that you wanna talk about, but Yeah. Um, yeah. What would, if you were to like, for that tactical, tactical person, like you're talking about, like, if they were on the fence about taking the course, like what would you tell them? Like, oh man, you know, I think, you know, you consider like what are their barriers in place, but.
You know, it has to be the right time and you'll know when the time is because it just makes sense. Mm-hmm. Everything unfolds in the way that it should. Yeah. And it is a perfect uplevel to someone who is just relentless in their desire to learn, to support their client and their patient community, um, with the best and.
The most efficient because we like to work smarter. Not harder. Mm-hmm. So I think, you know, when a person arrives to that place where they're like, I'm ready for this development, both personally and professionally, it's, it's a no-brainer. Yeah. Next step. And you figure out how to make it work and you do.
And it's, it's a high payoff. You look at. The different clients that you bring in and your ROII haven't crunched numbers to be all businessy and stuff. Yeah. But like I can tell you, I'm sure with certainty, like I've received already my return. I love that food training. Yeah. Um, just from referrals that I've gotten now.
Like she's different. Yeah. There's a magic. She does some magic thing. And I was like, cool. I love that. Yeah, I love that too. Yeah. Oh, I, I'm glad you spoke to that. 'cause I do love that. And that is, you're not alone. A lot of people tell me that, that they're like, oh yeah, I'm getting so many more referrals now.
And referrals are so good because it's already a vetted person that's gonna be the right fit as opposed to bringing in randos. Yes, yes. They're already in alignment with your philosophy, which mm-hmm. Makes that client relationship all that much better. Mm-hmm. And, uh, yeah, there's something to be said about that.
So. I love that. Get on board. Get on board. What are you waiting for? Exactly. Um, yeah. Is there anything else that you want to share with the crew, um, that you can think of? Any like fun cases or anything or, I mean, you shared that one about the va, what's cool. Yeah, I had another one with her, which was really, she's got some layers.
Yeah. And, um. She had saw me for shoulder. Mm-hmm. And it's never the shoulder. And I did a lot of stuff with her liver and her pain moved to the opposite hip. Mm. Yep. And so I did the ltap, it brought me to her spleen. Uh, did some work on her spleen and the hip pain was gone. Love it. And in getting her history afterwards, she's getting iron infusions.
Oh, interesting. Yeah. Very interesting. So, I don't know, my brain goes to, okay, the spleen makes red blood cells and iron is trying to promote hemoglobin yet whatever. I got geeked out on that and I was like, alright. Yeah. That's cool. That's really cool. High five to her. Yeah. And so she, she's like, I felt great.
That's interesting too, 'cause we talk about the liver as being a, um, the common, most common things from the liver, right. Shoulder pain and left Yeah. Hip sciatica. Mm-hmm. And, but the left hip sciatica pain is specifically actually from a, um, more of a vascular backup at the portal vein. The relationship between the portal vein and the inferior mesenteric artery.
And so, yeah, when you go back to the spleen, because the spleen is, you know, the splenic vein is a, is is like, it's also draining in the portal vein too. And it also is a big part of that vascular piece. So like, wow, so interesting. And yeah, going back to her subjective history, like I, I don't doubt that that's a part of it.
Yeah. So geek out moment. Yeah, total geek out moment. And then those are the moments too, though. The person's like, whoa, I didn't even tell you I was having, you know, like I didn't even tell you. Wild. Oh, I love that. Yeah. So far it's been a cool experience, Anna. I mean, you know, so those who are thinking about it, you know, it is expanded the knowledge that you get so much from your undergrad and your grad work.
Like it's just next level stuff. Yeah. In terms of anatomy, um. Stuff I just did not get enough of, and I feel like I have a really strong appreciation for the nerves, the nervous system, and just the visceral and how it all plays a part and play off of one another. It's, it's been amazing. Cool. Cool. I love it.
Well, thank you. I'm gonna end our live, but you can hang on our Zoom call and we'll cool. Goodbye personally. Okay. But everybody else, if you have questions for me or jt, drop 'em in the chat. Um, I'll also put her Instagram. Is Instagram the best way to connect with you? Yeah, that's a great way. Yeah, I'll put her Instagram in there too.
So if you wanna ask her questions more one-on-one about the ltap or her practice or whatever, um, you can reach out to her. Um, but yeah, so I appreciate you. Thank you guys for being here.