Knowing Where To Start: LTAP™ Level 1 Alumni Interview
Since the doors are open to the Spring 2025 cohort of the online LTAP™ Level 1 course I am sharing extra episodes of the podcast highlighting other practitioners and how they use the LTAP™ in their practice.
In this bonus episode, I’m sharing a candid conversation with my friend and colleague Sara Tanza, a pelvic physical therapist from Northern California who’s been using LTAP™ in her practice for a couple of years now. This was originally recorded live inside our Missing Link course community, but I knew I had to bring it to the podcast feed too.
Sara and I talked about her journey through different aspects of physical therapy—from neuro to ortho to pelvic health—and how the LTAP™ approach helped her finally connect the dots and feel more confident in knowing where to start with her patients.
We get into the whole-body perspective, how letting the body lead has completely shifted her treatment flow, and why this method fits seamlessly into all kinds of practices (and personalities).
Whether you’re an AT, PT, chiro, strength coach, or Pilates pro, this one’s for you—especially if you feel that “I’m missing something” itch in your clinical reasoning.
Oh, and yes—we geek out a bit about energy, ego, the patriarchy in healthcare, and why we need more yin in our treatment rooms.
Enjoy!
Resources Mentioned In This Episode
Online LTAP™ Level 1 Spring 2025- Starts April 14th! enroll April 7th-10th! ENROLL NOW!
Learn the LTAP™ In-Person in one of my upcoming courses
Considering the viscera as a source of musculoskeletal pain and dysfunction is a great way to ensure a more true whole body approach to care, however it can be a bit overwhelming on where to start, which is exactly why I created the Visceral Referral Cheat Sheet. This FREE download will help you to learn the most common visceral referral patterns affecting the musculoskeletal system. Download it at www.unrealresultspod.com
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Hey, hey. Welcome to another episode of the Unreal Results Podcast. I have some bonus episodes for you this week. We are in the four days of the public sale for the. Spring 2025 online LA level one course and also just announced the next in-person locations for 2025. So with that said, I wanted to share some.
Alumni with you that have gone through the ltap are use, utilizing it in their practice and wanting to share, you know, what value they got out of the course. So you can hear it from someone other than me, but then also see how it fits into different professions, different patient populations, different practitioner skill sets, et cetera.
So. This is a recording of a Facebook Live I did inside of our private Facebook group for the missing link course last week, which was the introduction to the Ltap level one. Um, and I wanted to share with you in case you're not inside the course. So I hope you enjoy. I have my friend and colleague, Sara Tanza.
She's a physical therapist from Northern California, um, on this live and uh, enjoy.
Well, we're live. It worked. Yay. Yay. Hi Anna. We're live in our private Facebook for the missing link.
So, um, I wanted to come in here. You all have probably already gotten the email from me announcing that the doors are open. So I opened the doors at 9:00 AM today for the spring cohort. End announced the new in-person locations for the LTAP level one course coming up. Um. Reminder that there are bonuses that are exclusive for the first 24 hours.
So if you enroll today, you get, you can get up to $728 worth of extra bonuses of other online courses and products to support your learning and like integration of the work. Um, so you can check that out. I'll, I'll be sure at the end of the live to drop the link in the comments as well so you have it.
And then the new in-person locations, I'm super excited to announce are. September. Well first of all, we have five more spots in the Durham, North Carolina spot, uh, location for May, which is next month already. And then, um, the new spots are September in San Diego, uh, October in Toronto, Canada. So super excited to go to Canada.
And then November in San Antonio, Texas. So, um, if you're new and don't know, I try to. Do the courses like alternate between East Coast, west Coast, and now inserting some stuff in the middle of the country too. And um, so hopefully those dates and locations work out for you. But the online course, I only offer it twice a year in the spring and in the fall.
And so, uh, the spring online course, uh, starts a week from today. Super excited. So, um. That's all for the announcements. Um, other than I'll continue to be in the Facebook group this whole week, so if you have remaining questions about the Missing Link course, I'm happy to help and answer them and that kind of thing, even though the course access has ended.
And then also I have a guest today at my live, um, my friend and colleague, Sara Tanza. Uh, Sarah is a pelvic physical therapist up in the Bay area of California, like um, Santa Cruz. Uh, specifically in Northern California and she has graciously joined us, uh, for a quick live to just share about, um. What led her to first start learning from me and learn the ltap and like how she utilizes it in her practice.
And if I'll, I'll, I'll keep an eye on the comments. If there's any live questions you can ask her, but then even if you have any questions that you can't put live, she's happy to answer 'em. She's actually one of the practitioners that I have doing, um. Um, I mean, I haven't announced it yet to everybody, but it is on the sales page.
I'm, uh, I'm offering like, um, calls with other alumni, uh, this week if you're kind of on the fence about how it fits for you. Sarah is actually one of those practitioners too, so you can just ask her. Yourself questions too, if you'd like. So, uh, without further ado, I'll, I'll, I'll give the floor to Sarah, and this is, I told her this is a very informal conversation interview type thing.
Um, but I'll let her kind of reintroduce herself and say hello and we'll kind of go from there. Hi, Anna. It's so great to get to talk to you and see you in person and be part of the community. Every person that you've brought into your community that I've met so far is just an amazing person and clinician.
So really excited that you're bringing in a whole new group of people to learn from you and to grow your community more. And, um, yes, like Anna mentioned, I, I think I joined her community about two years ago. I had, I think, listened to you on a podcast a long time ago and, um, just really resonated. I think that I had listened to that episode more than once, and, um, was just really, I don't know, those, those clinicians that right away, you know, that you will kind of learn from one day and then, you know, fast forward a couple years later, hearing your podcast on a drive and literally, you know, at a restaurant.
Stopped signing up, I think for the Ltap. I love that. And, um, a little bit. Yeah. So like, as I mentioned before, I'm a physical therapist. I have been in practice as a physical therapist for about 10 years. I worked in the field of physical therapy starting when I was 19 in college in Santa Barbara. And, um, always knew that I wanted to work with people and help people.
I started at orthopedics, I was in an ortho outpatient practice. There was also a training facility. Going on. So I saw a lot of, um, professional athletes training at this facility along with, you know, the elderly Santa Barbara grandparents as well. Mm-hmm. Um, fast forward to physical therapy school at uc, San Francisco, and I knew I wanted to go into ortho was all, yeah, I'm gonna help people, help athletes.
But then I got a little sidetracked because I did, um, the PNF residency at Kaiser Vallejo, which is like a world-class facility. Amazing facility. Worked with people with, um, brain injuries. Strokes, spinal cord injuries. Did that residency for a year. Thought I'd learn a little PNF, go back to the ortho world, go do my ortho thing.
But I really just fell in love with that population and I ended up, um, teaching that residency for three more years. Worked there for almost five years and really fell in love with pop that population, working with people, um, again with, um, neurologic injuries, right when they were fresh in the hospital.
Hospital and really found that those were the most hardworking athletes I'd ever met in my entire life. Um, but then I also was doing this advanced certification in functional manual therapy with the Institute of Physical Art, and I saw this gap of like, wait, we have all these like patients with like, like these neuro patients, but no one's treating their orthopedic needs.
Right? And they're having pain or, um, in then going back to outpatient later on. Seeing that people weren't addressing the neuro needs and really like cemented that fact that like every person is a whole person and they're not a neuro patient or an ortho patient. Right? And so I always had that kind of like whole organism perspective in mind, which is why I think the ltap appealed to me.
Um, fast forward to going into pelvic health, 'cause I realized, wait a second. There's this little part of the body that we're leaving out. With so many people and I really wanted to know the entire body. So that's why, like I cringe a little bit when I say I'm pelvic floor physical therapist. 'cause I'm like, Ooh, I don't want people to think that's all I do.
Um, but it's just one more place that we can treat, right? And so I just wanted to be as, um, able to treat the whole person as possible. And so that's why I got into pelvic health. Um, and then I think I took my first visceral course with just with the IPA about, uh, maybe 10 years ago and saw. Right away in that visceral course, like, oh my gosh, like look at my shoulder range of motion, and then I got my liver treated and then look at my shoulder range of motion afterwards.
Mm-hmm. And so knew right away, like, wow, visceral stuff is super, super powerful. Um, and started doing some work, uh, with the Bral student. I'd only taken one class. But, um, saw how with listening, I could really, I could actually feel something, right? Um, but then I never knew completely, like was it the right thing.
Um, and in that time I'd also, you know, done my certification with the IPA. So long story, long, I felt like I had a lot of good treatment skills, but, um, sometimes never knew where to start, right? And how to be as effective as possible. Um, now I have a practice where I do have a full hour with patients. I'm a hundred percent cash based, so I don't have, you know, that efficiency model, but like.
Even more so, if I was back in the model where I had 20 minutes with a patient, wow. I really would need to know where to go fast. Right. And to get the best result. Right. And so when, when I learned the ltap from Anna, it was just so nice because I could, if anything, you know, I was, I still do general listening with every single patient.
Um, but then it gave me a way to quote, check my work. Or maybe a day when I felt like I was like a little bit more off on my general listening. I'd had like a hard day with my family, whatever it was that I knew that at my generalist. Something wasn't as tuned in as it could be. It was a good opportunity for me to see another perspective, right?
Mm-hmm. And then the cool thing was, is I had these other treatment skills, so now I know where to go. And like Anna says, like, whatever, you can kind of do whatever you want as long as you start in the area where the ltap or your listening is taking you. Right? And so it just was so nice. Because it gave me a way to just Yeah.
Treat my patients and have a way to work with them and still incorporate pelvic floor, right. And still incorporate internal work and the, the thing that my patient wanted. And, um, it just, it feels like it's really routed out my practice, I guess. I love that. Yeah. I mean, I think that's so many people, especially, you know.
Uh, no. I mean, obviously I've had, this is my eighth time doing the online course, I think, or seventh. Seventh or eighth online round. And I was teaching this weekend, um, an in-person course and I was like, wow, this is the, I think the ninth or 10th time I've taught the in-person course. And so, you know, my favorite thing I think is sort of.
Is this, like seeing who comes to the courses and like kind of where you're at and what, what you wanna get out of it, what, what you do get out of it. Um, and I think kind of the overwhelming, I mean people who come to courses in general are people who love to learn, like, you know, so it's like, it's not that you don't have the.
Treatment tools that, you know, work and, and also you're probably the already the group of clinicians in the industry that are getting good results. And it's just, you know, unfortunately know in the industry, like what's considered good results is like six and seven out of 10 of your patients get better.
And so, you know. The nice thing is when you, when you are coming from a standpoint like you who you already had a bunch of different treatment tools, you already like, were considering really a lot of the whole organism, which is nice, which I do think so many pe I actually re recently referred somebody to a pelvic floor pt.
That has gone through my training. Actually, I think it was you and Lin that I told somebody in the area to go to. 'cause I was like, even though you don't have a pelvic floor issue, I was like, they can help you. I was like, the fact that they're even looking at the pelvic floor, they had like neck pain or something like that.
I was like, that is a big driver of it and it's like. You know, even had you all not known the ltap and not been how, why I was referring somebody to you, I was like, they get it anyways. And that's actually why like. Overall, a lot of the practitioners that come to my course, like I do get a lot of pelvic floor pelvic PTs because it already makes sense to them.
And you've already been to exposed to the fact that like, oh yeah, the viscera does matter and the nervous system does matter. And not only does it drive symptoms, but it changes orthopedic like objective measures quite a bit too. So, um. It is just interesting to me. But it is interesting too that even though you've already been exposed to that whole organism and all these treatment tools, it still sometimes feels like you're just throwing a bunch of shit at the wall and like seeing what sticks.
And so it is that piece of like. Having a tool to really dial in where to start your treatment to get the biggest out, like the best outcome and to, you know, best outcome. Meaning the quickest often is like so helpful for you are so, so it's like, one of the things I say is people feel like they're missing something and it's like that's what you felt like you're missing really is like.
The help from the body of where to start. And like you said, you had the journal listening, which is with the general listening. For those of you who don't know, it's like the osteopathic evaluation that the Bral Institute teaches. And it's a way for the body to guide us where to start. And that's what the Ltap, that's what I designed the Ltap for, is to have a more objective way to find that as opposed to the.
Listening, which is feeling through your hands. Because that I notice, I mean, for me, it took me six years before I like really, really trusted my listening. And I noticed when I was taking all of the courses in their work, like overarching, most people either struggled with the listening or they just skipped it.
And we're just still like no different than all the other like regular orthopedic courses we took, uh, or regular, whatever courses we took, they were just taking all those treatment tools and like throwing it at their patients to see what stuck and see what worked. And so I was like, man, the teachers keep like telling us how important the listening it is, but people are not getting it.
And so that's really, you know, why I spent the time to like. Like, how am I confirming, confirming this, listening for myself through these orthopedic things? And then that's when I was realized like, oh my gosh, like, I think I can actually put this together. As for, as a system for other people to use too.
Two, like you said, confirm your general listening to make you feel more confident in your listening. Especially on those days that you don't feel good in your body. You can't trust what you feel. But then also for people who just like can't grasp it at all or isn't, or have never been to a class. 'cause I was like, I don't wanna share this secret with the world.
I don't want this secret of. How important it is to know where to start and let the body guide your treatment sequence to only be given to people who go to their courses. I was like, you know, and learn their techniques. I was like, I think every clinician should learn this from PTs to athletic trainers, to chiropractors, to strength coaches to Pilates teachers.
Like if we add a way to tap into the wisdom of the body, like why would I gate keep that like I want everybody to know. So yeah. So, yeah. Yeah. That's cool. And I think it's, that was a long-winded, say, a long-winded way to say you're not alone. I like literally what you described is what I hear from everybody that's going through the courses like over and over again.
Yeah. I love that you also, you know, welcome all these different practitioners because like, there's so many patients that are like, okay, well, is chiropractic bad? Or like, is like Pilates bad or is CrossFit bad? Or whatever. It's like there's, I don't think there's a lot of bad methodologies. There's just bad clinicians, right?
And so it's like, I always tell people like, I'm not gonna, just like you're saying like, okay, I'll send you to a pelvic pt, not because they're pelvic pt, but because they're gonna at least think of certain things. And so. I, I just really love that and I think that like, one of the things I appreciated at your, your course is that like you really do, you know, try to keep the ego out of the room and, um, I really believe in that.
I think that like every single, like, you know, residency I did was like a not residency where you got something cool at the end of it, right? It's like I just, you just wanna like learn something cool, like let's just learn something cool and that works and Yeah. And I think that it's also, you know, you go to a lot of these.
Courses and like I've, you know, been, and I, I'm so grateful every single thing that I've studied, and let's just say, you know, you can improve somebody's, you know, a, a joint end feel or like range of motion or whatever, and you do a really good job at doing it. But like, sometimes that wasn't the primary issue.
And so like, okay, this patient looks really good at the end of your treatment session, but then they come back with the same issue, right? And you're like, what? I did such good work. Why didn't they keep It did good work. You did right? Like really good work. And so I think that's. The biggest thing, and I know even, you know, we've, I've done now masterminds with you as well, and so in those, you know, you've even said sometimes like, you know, try not to even treat that first restriction first.
Yeah. Sometimes, right. And that's what I've basically always, we've always been told through PT school courses is we find a restriction, we treat the one we find. And actually sometimes it was, it's helpful right away in that. Session to address whatever that first driver is. And maybe by the end of the session, yes, you can go and you can clear up that little thing you find if there is something left.
Mm-hmm. 'cause sometimes there's not. Right. Exactly. Um, and so I think that was also a big paradigm shift for me and something that I've really appreciated. And I think it's something that has had my patients, you know, also retain the work that I've done and not have some of those, those issues come back.
Yeah. So that was another thing that kind of set the, the ltap, um, apart in my mind. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, I, I do a lot of people say that too, is, and it is like, it's hard to believe at first because it is so driven into our education of like, when we come into some sort of joint limitation that feels like a actual structural joint thing.
Not soft tissue around it, but like a joint thing. Like we just wanna mobilize it and it, it doesn't make, it's like, so. Like such a mind blowing thing to then like not do it. And this is where I'm like, yeah, put the ego aside. Put your like curious scientists hat on. Just like look at it from a curious perspective of like, there's all these joint restrictions or the, all these things that I really wanna get my hands on to mobilize.
But what happens if I just start here instead with this simple technique? You know, yes, it might be directed at a visceral organ, which makes it sound complicated, but at the end of the day, it's still like manual therapy is like a simple technique of manual therapy or a specific one, but still, it's like pretty basic.
And, um, then see how all these joints change. And it is like, what? Like how did. They're like, what felt like what we believe was a stiff joint capsule or a stiff ligament. Mm-hmm. That we had all this exercise fizz knowledge telling us that we had to have like a certain amount of seconds of creep to even deform the tissue enough to make it like stick.
Right? All of a sudden the body's like, hold my beer. Like I, I can change this because it's like, and this is, and I think too, this is like how our understanding even has. Has evolved, but is continuing, continuing to evolve our understanding of the nervous system and just how powerful it is in dictating literally everything.
Like just honoring how much movement is an output. Even things that we've been told to believe that they are not very changeable. The nervous system's like, Hmm, let me show you my power. Yeah, so. I think that also, like I, um, Ari Clemons, who's an amazing physical therapist, she teaches for Herman and Wallace in the, um, like public health world, you would love her.
Um, she talks a lot about just like the patriarchy in, you know, orthopedics and in treatment skills. Mm-hmm. And basically like, I will, I'm gonna manage the sacrum, I'm gonna manage that person's thoracic spine, I'm gonna manage their hip. Yes. And it's like, guess what? Like we all grew up. And we're educated in that paradigm of mm-hmm.
Um, this really patriarchal model of I'm in charge of the body. Mm-hmm. And it was kind of, and I felt like I had to be like that. Right. Yeah. In order to be a good pt, I had to do that. I had to be the one in control. Yeah. And what I really learned, and I think that like you do a really amazing job with the, is like.
You know, I have as a clinician, my story about my patient's body. They have their story about the patient, their, their own body. Yeah. Um, those are two opinions in the room. Yeah. And then the body's opinion. And so I always tell my patients, I'm like, our job is to listen to your body's opinion first. And like, are both, both of our stories, like Yeah.
They, they matter. And maybe, and especially your story, we really need to take into account. Right. It's very important. But like, you know, even my a hundred percent, my job is to put. Even all my education aside and my knowledge aside and my ideas about you and your problem and your history, and listen to what your body has to say today first, because that's the most important thing, and that's what even NARI talks a lot about is like this new, more feminine way of treating.
And it's not about like I'm a female clinician or whatever, but it's no, it's an energy of feminine energy, not a. Amazing. And it's like completely, you know, revolutionized my practice when I heard her say that out loud and then I really heard those words echoed by you. I think I like, honestly probably cried.
Well I did cry, of course, let's be real the first time. But I did cry, I think literally a little tear on the first day at, you know, when you were explaining the L tap. 'cause it was that same model of like giving up the ego of us as a clinician. Mm-hmm And then also it's just like, it makes you not as exhausted.
Like it's exhausting. Oh my God. Like, I have to leave my children every single day. Like I don't wanna have to go somewhere else and like be in charge again. Like, I go, like I leave my house and now I get to with my patients and play. Right? Yeah. Like I get to play, I get to like just listen to what they have their body has to say.
And it's also, so it literally, it some ways takes, it's less work. It's, you know, it's a work smarter, not harder kind of vibe. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that's, it's, it's funny that you're bringing that up because every once in a while I get asked like, um, by people like, there seems to be like a lot more women in your classes than men.
And I'm like, yeah, but I. It's only like that because of that, because, and it, and it has nothing to do with people's actual gender identity. Like it, it is an energy, a masculine and feminine energy, a ying and yang type of energy. And yes, the medical world is very yawn energy, a very masculine action taking.
I'm gonna make it, I'm gonna force things this way and. I think things should be this way, and so I'm gonna make 'em all that way and you know, and so, yeah. It is that, and that that is what I mean by letting go of the ego is really is like letting go of the masculine, the Y energy driving everything and valuing that in a whole organism.
In the whole system, there is a yang and a ying. And the yang, the more feminine energy like. It has actually so much power to it. Mm-hmm. Probably more, I would argue more power than the the masculine. Right. And that is like, but, but I, but you see that come out in like, you know, yes. Most people who were. To identify as females or who were raised as females or like born female, like we just tend to, um, more easily, um, resonate with that energy.
It doesn't mean we don't, because I was very, very masculine and I just, I still have a very masculine energy 'cause I'm like an action taker. Like, I like yeah. Get shit done. Like I take charge, I do the thing, but which is also why oftentimes when I'm teaching I'm, I tell people like it is literally a daily practice for me to.
To decide to let that go, like you said, to decide to put all my education, all of my knowledge, all of my stories, all of my experience, to put that aside and let this. Let the body lead the way, like let, like allow for the, the body's own power to like direct and drive the bus, you know? And nice to know that now I have, you know, all this other stuff that when it's a appropriate to step in and let that.
You know, be heard and let that, that let that skillset be used. Like I know when to use it. It just doesn't drive the bus anymore. Exactly. And the interesting thing is, is the more you allow your practice to follow what the body wants and um. Utilize its power to help you get better results, the more confident you become and it actually charges the masculine energy charges the yang.
Right? And so it's just a really, I mean, in everything in life, it's really interesting to see this wholeness of the ying and yang and the wholeness of the masculine feminine and just the dynamic it creates in. Personal life, professional life, like all, all aspects of our life. So yeah, but I definitely think that's why I end up having like way more women in my courses.
Than men, which I mean, I don't care. This weekend I had five men in the course, and I was like, yeah, right, because it like, it's like, so like I said, for anybody, it doesn't matter. Their act, you know, the, the gender that I identify with, it's like everybody needs to work on the masculine and the feminine balance in their life.
It just makes us a more whole human and allows us to use all of the gifts that we have and all of the knowledge that we have and that kind of thing. So. Cool. But, and you touched on it too about the, when I was talking about all the different types of practitioners in the courses, um. And this goes back to like the fact that when you know where to start and when you let the body guide you, um, it doesn't matter the treatment tool you use.
And sometimes we're, we're just like so stuck in our little box of like manual therapy or exercise, um, or like strength and conditioning exercise versus like Pilates movement exercise. Uh, that we forget that there's, you know, more than one way to skin a cat. You know, and so one of my favorite parts of the in-person course is we, um, on the second day, when you put the whole ltap together, you evaluate, you, you know, you, you do, you do the ltap assessment and evaluation of your partner, and then you treat them and then, and then we switch and the other person does it.
But then. We write it up on the whiteboard, what the l where the ltap directed us to, um, what their chief complaint was and then what treatment we used. And it's so cool to see all the different ways people decide to treat the same thing. And I do that to sh open people's eyes to like, yeah. Pilates instructors can treat the liver just as good as you, sometimes even better, and you can learn from them.
And when people sometimes see some of my like regen sessions and movement stuff, the way IQ movement, I'm like, where do you think I learned that from? I didn't learn that in athletic training school, and I didn't learn that at a PT clinic that I worked at. I learned that from. You know, one of my main mentors in the Pilates space was she went to Stanford for dance medicine.
Like she's a mover. She is like everything movement, right? And she's learned Pilates and Franklin Method and Gyrotonic and like Feldenkrais and she's taken all and dance and all the different genres of dance, right? And she's put all of that together and like that's how she teaches movement. And so it's like.
Yes, I've, I've learned more sometimes from those people about how the body works and how to facilitate a movement experience than I ever did in the healthcare setting. Yeah. So, yeah, so that's why I wanna share it, because people are sometimes like, don't you wanna do like, separate classes for, you know, massage therapists versus PTs, versus other trainers versus Pilates people?
I'm like, no, because we have so much to share. And we have so much overlap and we can help each other. And also that's how you build community of people you can refer to in those things like. Well, I, I would, I don't ever wanna separate my classes like that. Yeah. I might consider like adding on a day where one of my TAs that, that's profession can like do a little three hour workshop on how specifically they use it.
But I'm like, I'm not gonna take it out. And even from a manual therapy standpoint this day and age, they don't even teach a lot of manual therapy in PT and athletic training school anymore. No. And so I'm like, and too, some of my manual therapy skills that I used the most and get the best results were from, were from learning from massage therapists.
Mm-hmm. So, yeah. And I, I think also too, you know, I want every single practitioner in my town to take this as well. Yeah. And I think that another thing is like people like back to gatekeeping, if people are like, I wanna be the one person who specializes in the ltap. It's like, no. If I have like every, if there's the Pilates instructor and the massage therapist I could refer to and the other pt if I can't get somebody in.
Yeah, that'd be amazing. And I think that we do need to create more of that abundance mindset, which is such a trendy term, but like. Actually do it instead of just give that lip service. Right, exactly. So, um, yeah, I think that it's, it's really important that we have so many different practitioners who have kind of this lens of view so we can all have this united front, I think.
Yeah, no, you're right. And, and you're right. I'm always, I'm like, there's like 39 million people just in California. I, I don't need to be the only person who knows this. I can barely keep my head above water with helping the people in my, you know. Yeah. Community right now. Like, yes, I want everybody to know this and it's also part of the reason why I even did this free even continue to do the free work week course number one.
Yeah, it's a sales mechanism so people can experience something before they buy it, but at the end of the day, I actually just wanna let people know that the whole organism model is so important and we need to change it. Like we need to change the industry. And so I will like. This is why I put all the things out there.
Not just because of my business, but because I actually want to change the industry. And if I could give it all for free, I would, but I also, you know, gotta put food on the table sort of thing. But I'm, and it's also, like I said this other day, I am, one of our calls in this course was, listen, if you decide.
That you from this course, if you decide that you want to go take the Bral work or IPA stuff or like, you know, some other osteopathic thing or like Dr. Perry's work, I, I don't care. I, I consider that a success because I just want you interested it in it and exposed to it. Whether you join my course or not, like.
That that's, you know, your decision to make. But my goal is to expose you to a WHO organism paradigm. And not just tell you about it, but have you experience it. 'cause when you experience it mm-hmm. And see it for yourself. That's what creates the cognitive dissonance with the old model and makes you be like, Ooh, I can't ignore it.
Once you see it, it's hard to unsee it, and so it makes you want to learn more wherever you end up. Learning that more from, it's like, I'm always here for people, but it's like at the end of the day, I just want everybody to work from this model. And it's like then all these other courses, you know, that you're taking too, they just, you know, give you more treatment tools to Exactly support what you just find about, and that's what's so great about it.
It's like you're treating, you're also teaching this an evaluation approach. And so it's like now treat it with all the skills you have and so go gather those skills and that's why Yeah, like the brawl and the IPA, you know, two organizations that I love and respect and they'll, you know, say the same thing of just like, yeah.
If it works, then do the thing that works. You know, do the thing that works. Exactly. And so I think that that's the model we really should shift towards. And if you are learning from a paradigm who doesn't say that, then it's kinda cringe. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Kind of cringe. Yeah. I'm like, at the end of the day, I'm teaching people assessment.
I'm teaching people how to consider the whole organism, and I'm teaching them to critically think through things instead of just seek the answer and like agree upon it. So. Which those are not sexy things to market. Critical thinking and assessment. Oh. But it's really fun and it makes all the other stuff so much better.
So. Um, anyways, we're getting, we're on 30 minutes so we can wrap it up. I think we kind of covered, I mean, we covered a lot. Um, I thank you so much for taking the time out of your morning to join us. And then I also, uh, thank you for doing any calls with people that sign up. Um, like I said, I'll send an email out to everybody tomorrow, but those of you watching this live get first.
First, uh, announcement that I'm even offering them, but the practitioners, there's four of them. Sara is one of them, will be available, uh, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday for calls. So, um, appreciate you and have a great day,