Getting Remarkable Results In Rural New Zealand: LTAP™ Alumni Interview
In this episode of the Unreal Results podcast, I sit down with physiotherapist and LTAP™ alum, Storm Baynes-Ryan, who brings a whole-human approach to care from her rural practice in Gisborne, New Zealand.
Storm shares how stepping away from physiotherapy to raise her four kids shifted her perspective on empathy and the importance of treating people, not just diagnoses. She brings that perspective to powerful case studies of stubborn shoulders, decades-long back pain, and even an old farmer who walked away pain-free after just a few visits. All because she knew where to start.
We also talk about what it’s like to learn the LTAP™ entirely online, and how she applies the same principles successfully in both hands-on and virtual sessions.
If you’ve ever felt stuck with a client who isn’t progressing, or wondered how to get consistent results without fancy techniques, Storm’s insights will inspire you to see assessment and treatment through a new, whole-body lens.
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Anna Hartman: Hey there and welcome. I'm Anna Hartman and this is Unreal Results, a podcast where I help you get better outcomes and gain the confidence that you can help anyone, even the most complex cases. Join me as I teach about the influence of the visceral organs in the nervous system on movement, pain and injuries, all while shifting the paradigm of what whole body assessment and treatment really looks like.
I'm glad you're here. Let's dive in.
Hello. Hello. Welcome back to another episode of the Unreal Results Podcast. I am just locked in with guest episodes right now.
Um, which I actually love because these guests are special guests in that they are alumni, um, of the LTAP level one course. And, um, people have told me since I've been doing episodes like this around the launches, other. Other practitioners, they're like, I really like hearing from other people. And I'm like, oh good, because I do too.
I love hearing how everybody utilizes the LTAP and the principles they learn, uh, from the LTAP, um, into the various types of practices out there. And so, yeah, I love to share and, um. Actually, this guest is coming to you from the future. So Storm is a physio, uh, in New Zealand. And, uh, so she's, um, yeah, coming to us from the future and I'm very grateful to have her on here.
So without further ado, welcome and I'll let her, uh, tell you all about who she is and what she does.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Hi. Thank you for having me, Anna. I'm really excited. So I'm Storm and I've been a physio since 2002.
Anna Hartman: Nice.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I work with humans and not pieces of anatomy, and so I try and treat the whole human. And up until I met Anna, I thought I was doing that.
I would, I asked people like, who are you? Tell me who you are. And I try and find out who my human is, and then I try and find out what the problem is afterwards. And then I find out that tells me the gap that I have to bridge and that tells me our goals and. I work in a rural community near Gisborne, which is on the east coast of New Zealand, but uh, of the north island.
And it's actually a province is called the East Coast.
Anna Hartman: Mm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And it's pretty rural and it's really different in terms of the people we see are rural and remote. I see clients online and in person, and it's generally people who have got musculoskeletal injuries. Um, my degrees are, I have a Bachelor of Health Science and Physiotherapy and a postgraduate diploma in musculoskeletal physiotherapy, and I was taught by some amazing people.
So I've felt, I feel like, um, I'm able to provide people with some really great treatment, but I also don't like blowing my own horn. So that's, that's me. I, my husband and I have a farm, um, and we have four children and they're pretty active in sports. As well. Yes.
Anna Hartman: I love that you're like, I don't wanna do my own hard.
I've heard that you were good from other people I know in New Zealand too, so, oh, thank a secret storm. You are very good at what you do. And then also as I've gotten to know you through all of the courses and like when you share patience stuff and just Yeah, you do. You do such a great job of like figuring out who, who your whole human is in front of you.
And I just think that is such a gift, especially to the people of your community who need someone looking after them. And so I think that is very special. So, um, thank you. Yeah. I just love it. Um, I, um, so one of the things I always ask a lot of the alumni that come on here is, um. You know, well, like you said, you thought you treated the well, worked with the whole human, and then you started hearing me talking about, and you thought like, oh, maybe, maybe there are parts of this whole human that I haven't appreciated in my assessment.
And so, um. I'm sure that was one of the things that, that drew you to the course. Was there other, was there any other sort of unwanted experience you were having or problem that you were having, um, that you were hoping to like? Solve by learning the LTAP as well, or was that pretty much it?
Storm Baynes-Ryan: So what happened is, um, I took a hiatus, uh, a few years ago when I had four children.
Five and under. It was pretty, um, that's intense. Yeah. Yeah, it was very intense. It was very intense and I didn't feel like I could do any of my jobs very well if I was doing physiotherapy. So I took a break and then I came back to physiotherapy and I feel like my empathy was. Way better. Mm-hmm. I feel like I understood the human in front of me was more important than the diagnosis in front of me.
Mm-hmm. And I started treating people, like I say, as a whole person. So I'd ask about. Their family and where they live and what they do. And I'd ask about their sleep and their diet and I'd find out about their mindset and connection and I'd ask about their hydration. So I'd kind of get a really good picture.
And then when I came back and, and I was back and I felt like I was doing a really good job and I felt really confident with most of my diagnoses. Hmm. And I've always told a client that if I can't change them in three sessions, then that's not for me.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: That's been how I've worked right from the start.
If anyone isn't changing, then I can't change them. So they need to be somewhere else. And it's not that I can always help a client, and that's now as well, since that is, I can't always. Fix them. But I can always help them by being able to listen and by being able to say, Hey, look, it's not for me, but I'm going to make sure that you're not left in this great big hole of I don't know what to do.
Therefore no one can do anything because I'm not that arrogant. So, um, last year. I was doing some training. I had a student with me. We had lots of spare time. The LTAC course came up and I thought, wow, I really just wanna see what this looks like. It was, sorry, the missing link.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm. Came up.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I wanted to see what it looked like and I had my student with me, and so we did this week long intensive together.
Anna Hartman: Oh, cool.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: It was really cool. Yeah. And in doing that, learning the LTAP one. I was able to make some significant changes in a shorter time period than I would've previously with my clients. Mm-hmm. So, one in particular, um, it was a lady, she came to me, she's got multiple health issues, autoimmune, whole shebang, and her right shoulder was incredibly stiff.
She just couldn't lift it. It was painful. And we were making some changes, but Mm. You know, it was slow and I did feel like I had the right diagnosis. It was really slow. Um, and we, in that, she came to me during the, uh, missing link. I did the first test and I was like, Hey, look, do you mind if we give this a go?
It's a bit different, but it's not like we've got anything to lose and it's only going to take a couple of minutes.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: So we did LTAP one. I found that there was some tension in her central nervous system or viscera, because that's where we got to, and that's all I knew. We tried the central nervous system reset.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And her arm moved. I sent her home with this as homework because it just kind of kept coming back.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: So she would go to the pool and she'd be like, ah, I can't get her togs on. So she'd get her togs on because her arm was stiff. Mm-hmm. And she'd sit in the pool changing rooms and she'd do the reset and then she'd be able to lift her arm up and go swim.
Anna Hartman: Oh my God. I love that.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: It was really cool. And this was not the only one, but it was a really clear,
Anna Hartman: yeah,
Storm Baynes-Ryan: clear change. And that meant that the strengths work and the mobility work started to stick. And where it was this kind of recalcitrant grumbling shoulder, it became a less recalcitrant grumbling shoulder.
It still took quite a bit of time to unpick it.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm. Now she's
Storm Baynes-Ryan: back and she's normal. Um, if she has a, um, autoimmune flare, she can use that central nervous system reset to just pop that right out. And so it's part of her home program. And so at that time. We had no money. I four kids in a farm, farms don't make money and.
But it's in like the New Zealand dollar is hideous. Yeah. And um, I was like, I just can't right now. So I saved money. Yeah. So, and I knew that the first day that I had money and that course came up and they matched
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: That I would purchase. Yeah. Because the, that result for that one lady. I was able to get that for another client, and another client, and another client, and it, I already had good results.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm. And
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I already knew when a client wasn't for me, but in this situation, I was able to just kind of accelerate people beyond what I knew.
Anna Hartman: Yes. I love this. Um, I do remember, I mean, I remember when you took the missing link and I remember getting messages from you and like, oh my gosh, this is so good.
Like, I'm seeing such great results and like, so phenomenal. And so, yeah. I mean, I was not, and you said, told me, you're like, Hey, I can't afford this course now. By the next time I'm gonna make sure I'm in it. And like, even like halfway, I think between the that and the next one, I got another message from you and you're like, when it's coming, I'm, I'm in.
Like, count me in. Yeah. And then you joined and um, yeah. And then now you have all of the tests.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Now I have all of the tests.
Anna Hartman: Yes. And so, you know, like how are the results? Now and like, you know, and this is, well, and we kind of talked about it before I pressed record, but one of the reasons I wanted to have Storm on to talk to is because, because she's in New Zealand, she hasn't been able to come to an in-person course, which I'm sure would've been her preference as Yeah, as it is a lot of people's preference.
Right. And, um. We're working on creating a course in New Zealand, hopefully in 2026, uh, for the rest of the people there when for storm to come into an in-person class. But, um, until I get there, I just was like, oh, it, I love actually. I mean, even people in the United States that could come to in-person courses, some of them prefer the online setting.
It's easier because, and it's cheaper because you don't have to pay for air fair and hotel and all that stuff. So it's like, I appreciate that for everyone and it's also like one of the reasons why I will never not offer an online version because I don't want to. Just like, I don't want healthcare to have a huge financial, like, um, obstacle to overcome in order to get good care for people.
Like I also don't want education to have a huge financial obstacle to overcome, to get good education for people. So I'll always do it, but that's, I, I, you know, I wanted people to hear from you of how the learning experience in the online course was, and, um. You know, what made, what was helpful, what was difficult, and then also like the results you're getting from it.
You know? I mean, you already spoke to the results you got from just the missing link one week course. So yeah, share about this.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Okay, so I found the online really helpful because I'm incredibly busy. Um, I, along with all of the other things I do, I'm working and with patients nearly full time.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. And a mom and the farm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yes.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, yeah. Yes.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And, and always baby animals. I dunno how it happens, but, so there's always something to feed. Um, so I found the online helpful because when I did get a, a block of time, I could sit down and listen to it. Also of note is that I take on information really quickly and partly I have a fast brain.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And partly I have no time, so it's something I've developed as well. And I would listen to the information at Double Speed and then I'd slow down when I needed to review. And I found that really helpful because of my time constraints. Mm-hmm. Um, and I was, oh, I don't have it here, but I printed off the books or all of the, the slides beforehand and bound them, and I printed off the previous class as well and read them.
And then I printed off the class as I got it and then wrote my notes on that as I went through. So that's just how I learned. Yeah, so I found that online really, really helpful. Um, because of my time constraints and because of how I learn, I found that great and it gave me time to get through it, but there was also a, a time limit in terms of getting it done because I wanted to keep up.
Anna Hartman: Yes.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Um, so I found that part really helpful. Um, I feel like I'm really lucky as well. I, in my postgraduate. Study with musculoskeletal physiotherapy. I did a lot of hands-on learning in terms of mobilizations manipulations. My surface anatomy was good.
Anna Hartman: Yes.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And my, and I was trained by some of the very best manipulative therapists in the world.
And so I feel like my, um, my feel is quite good. Mm-hmm. And I feel like that put me in a really great. Position when we did this online course, because I didn't have to learn what say the, the sacral tests should feel like, because I'd been doing them since 2000 and 2000. Yeah, you
Anna Hartman: already knew 'em. You just needed to add 'em in with the breath hold and see how things changed.
Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. It needed more direction for the specific tests, but I didn't need to learn all of that, and I know what a body's supposed to feel like.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I know what all these tests are supposed to feel like. I just didn't know what that meant.
Anna Hartman: Yes.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: With the, with the additions that we created.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Well you created and I used, yeah.
So, um, I feel like I was in a really good position for that, and I don't know that that would be the same for a clinician with less hands-on time. But in saying that, I also use this with my online clients and still get the same astounding results. So yes, my hands on is helpful, but having an uh, the ability to eyeball this as well is helpful.
I think I've lost my track, Anna, and I think you might need to just direct me further.
Anna Hartman: We were talking about how the online learning mm-hmm.
How, what benefited you was that you already were really strong with palpation skills and like feeling skills. So then when you just added in the little changes from the how to interpret the things, like that's, that's where the learning was for you. Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. And so we got the hands-on stuff. It was going amazing because my hands-on skills were good, but.
I can then transfer that over to my online patients. Mm. And I was getting the same results using just my eyeballs, not even touching with these patients.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And patience is, and the great thing about this test with series is that. In general, you can say, Hey, look, I think this is for me. I'm like, I'm pretty sure this is what we need to, this is where I'm being directed.
This is what I think is probably going on. Should we see if this changes it? And we, and then I always do a test, retest. I mean, that to me is basics. You always test retest, see if your treatment's working. Yeah. We are not gonna get onto that, Anna.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. I'm like basics to me too. But yet you and I both know it is not.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: It is not. And so I, uh, so I'll, here's how I work is I either in person or online, I will do, I'll LTAP one and then if I, if it's directed, I'll go, I'll go 2, 3, 4 or five to wherever I need to go. Then I will do the. Musculoskeletal, or what you call an orthopedic assessment.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And I will get to the end of that in terms of my time constraints, picking out the right tests, whatnot.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And generally I try and find something that is changeable and I use that as my test retest.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And I'll say, Hey look, so we've found that you've say got, I don't know, a stiff neck or a whatever. And I will then say, so it's, so when you turn or so when you do this, let's try and see, because your body's directing me to say, I dunno, the liver or the whatever.
Let's just try a very quick test here. I'm pretty sure that that's gonna change you. It doesn't always. But either way, it's not going to do any harm.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. And
Storm Baynes-Ryan: it's probably going to make you feel better. We'll do this one thing and we do it, they generally take a minute. These treatments, they're not massive.
Yeah. And so I'll do the treatment and then say, let's just retest your orthopedic test. So let's, and generally the client will go, what? Like, how did you do that? Are you, are you a witch or a wizard? And I'm like, no, it's science, but it doesn't feel like science.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, same.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I love that. And everybody's go-to that Is everyone's go-to, are you a witch?
Anna Hartman: No. Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yes, actually, but not in that way. Yeah. Um, my kids call me, my kid called me a swamp witch once, and so I, I need that on a t-shirt. Yes. Um, but not in terms of like witchy skills, just, you know, um, and so I can do this online. I can get, I can show my clients most of the moves, and if it's a trickier move I can.
Find some alternative. Again, I've been doing this long enough,
Anna Hartman: I can kind of find a way around. Yeah. Support.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. So I've got a big toolkit and I am getting these same results with people again and again and again. And it's not a mistake. And it's not like the occasional change and it's not like even, um, sometimes you're like, oh, it's the neck, so you can change something in the head.
No, you, I've changed somebody's Achilles strength. Yeah. By changing her, by doing, um, an ocular motor nerve. Yes. Yes. Like, it blows me away. It blows them away. Yeah. And then, um, how I describe it, and because I'm very rural, there's, there's two ways that I describe it. One is like when you've got to wash your horse and it's filthy.
You don't start by just like scrubbing where it's muddy. You just hose that thing off. Or the same if you've got a muddied vehicle or a muddy Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, side by side, you just kind of hose and just get as much crap off as you can.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And then you can see what the problem is or where the horse actually needs to be washed or whether, and so I say, tell my clients this.
It's kind of like washing off. Yes. All of the other bits, and then we can find the actual problem and treat the actual problem. Yes. And we've got some big levers to pull then because we know exactly where it is. I love
Anna Hartman: that analogy. That is such a good analogy. Yes. That's when I talk about like the laundry list of orthopedic dysfunctions and then yeah, you use the LTAP to know exactly where to start and it just knocks off like half of 'em and then it like narrows your list down and narrows your list down and pretty soon you're left with like one little joint mob you need to do and one little joint and then you're good.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. And I had this, um, it was down the
Anna Hartman: horse. I love it.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Hosting down the horse. And so I had this old farmer, he's in his sixties and his back has been sore for over 20 years. He was having trouble, he had weakness in his thighs. When he walked uphill, he had trouble, um, climbing over fences, sitting on his, um, quad.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And. Rolling over in bed at night.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: We did the LTAP, we did the orthopedic tests. His back was hideously cranky. Mm-hmm. Like it was a grumpy back. It didn't like moving. Very stiff, very, a lot of referred pain down the legs. A bit of weakness. His hip joint was incredibly stiff. Again, he's been riding horses for forever.
So no hip. Yeah, hip flexion was about 80 degrees, so no wonder he couldn't sit on the bike.
Anna Hartman: Right.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Um, and internal rotation was. Non-existent. Yeah.
Anna Hartman: Um, it was like internal rotation was external rotation.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. Yeah. So, so inflection was, came straight out into external rotation. Oh. Like, it almost didn't, it was so stuck and, um, I was like, look, I just wanna do this.
And, uh, it was, I look, I think. I'm having to go back and my poor old brain has got, not got enough pockets. Um, I'm pretty sure it was ascending colon and we just did a stretch, um, a bit of a skin mob over the top, a stretch. It was one minute his hip flexion went to 120 degrees.
Anna Hartman: What?
Storm Baynes-Ryan: It was a locked hip that I was like, Ooh, I think we need to replace this.
Yeah. Hip flex increased. Then we just, oh. We did. Then it went to a central nervous system and we gave him some of that. It was like, well, this, and um,
Anna Hartman: oh yeah. I was like, my eyes.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. I was like, just do it. And he was like, oh, right. Anyway, he did it and then by the end of the session his back, his side bend was less cranky.
I mean, we're not magicians here. Like it was better. Yeah.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: We did something similar for the next three sessions. He was like, oh, I don't need to see you anymore. I can walk up the hill, but my legs are fine. My back doesn't hurt, but I have got a sore elbow. I was like, oh
Anna Hartman: God sake, I love that. We'll take an elbow.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I was like, alright, what is it? And he told me all the things that hurt and I was like, oh really? You don't need that? How about we just, and I did the test and it was.
Again, it was, um, it was in his neck and it was neural tension in his neck. And I took the neural tension out of his neck. We did some skin lifts.
Anna Hartman: Mm. Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Uh, and we did skin lifts all the way down.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: His elbow pain went away. I was like, I don't need to see you again. Do I?
Anna Hartman: You're like, you're gonna have to make up another thing that hurts.
Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I love that. I was like, yeah. I was like, can you just do the strength stuff? Can we just do one more to make sure it stays away?
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And he came back. He was like. I don't know what I'm here for.
Anna Hartman: He's like, I'm here because I trust you now and you told me to come back.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. So I had to come to town for this.
I was like, I know, but you're just lucky you got me. So go away and come back if you need me. Exactly. I love that.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. And like thinking about how his body was like, had he gone to like a traditional. Rehab experience, like, ugh. They would've been like cranking on him and forcing things and hurting him, and he, Ugh.
He'd been doing that.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah, and it made no change. He'd been trying all sorts of things for years, and he'd go to the chiropractor and feel good until he got to the roundabout.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. That's crazy. Oh, I love that. I love that story.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Thanks. So do I. It is so funny 'cause he's not someone who I would normally go, Hey, look, I want to try this new thing with
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
With you. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah. Did you feel like, you know, when you were describing too, using it with your virtual clients, was, was that experience too? Almost, uh, even like a Oh wow. While you're, while you, where you treat. It was like almost maybe validating for you that it is where you treat that matters versus like, I could imagine someone like you with such good manual therapy skills, feels like sometimes not getting results.
Virtual is 'cause you can't touch people.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yes.
Anna Hartman: And so it proved to you in a like a way of like, oh damn, I'm getting as good as results virtually as I'm in person like.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yes. Yeah. Yes. And I'd been getting really good results virtually previously. And again, this just really time compressed and tooked away, all of that grumbling, extraneous
Anna Hartman: stuff.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I love that. This is so cool. I, I am like from here on out, the podcast will just be interviewing how people use it. I just love it. It is like so cool to hear because I always tell people, I'm like, I promise you my patients are not as exciting as you think they are. They're really boring. I was like, and they, I mean they, you know, they're professional athletes.
They change fast and like they complain about the same things over and over again. It's boring, but you get the fun people. Oh yeah. The interesting, yeah. I do business. Yeah. The, uh, so cool. Um, I mean, I guess, I mean, we could keep talking forever, but like, just so we say, like it kind of, I always ask like people, like the most impactful parts of the learning, the LTAP, like, what do you think?
I mean, it's kind of like hard 'cause it's like, well altogether is just like doing it, like getting the results, like knowing where to start. Is there anything else that was like, you know, besides learning the assessment itself, like, uh, real impactful piece of the course that was like, oh, that was a big light bulb or like a helpful thing.
That you can think of?
Storm Baynes-Ryan: No. So the, the, so I, I've actually found the missing link, probably the biggest light bulb moment. Moment,
Anna Hartman: yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Because I could work out whether it was central nervous system or viscera or the lower limb.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And that was enough. To get started.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. So
Storm Baynes-Ryan: that was the big part for me is that's when I realized more about the central nervous system and the viscera and how they could impact it.
And there's really easy ways to change that too, even if you don't have all those really specific details.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And again, that's that broad brush stroke stuff of just like, pretty much it's gonna be this. Yeah. So I found that to be quite helpful.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. And
Storm Baynes-Ryan: probably the most helpful.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm. And then
Storm Baynes-Ryan: the next part of it was becoming more and more specific.
So it's a, a better hose.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: What washing more of that, those symptoms away to become more and more specific, also more helpful for the patient. Because I do give them, I know it's meant to stick, but actually I give them this as homework.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And it is really helpful.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: So I don't know quite where that sits and with what, um, like I know that it's kind of like we're meant to do it and it settles it, but I find my clients really like this as homework.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. No, I think it's good. Some homework due.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yes. And then just to
Anna Hartman: empower them to be like, yeah. If it comes back between now and when you see me again, try this.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. Mm-hmm. And, and so being really specific and knowing exactly where to point them mm-hmm. Has been really helpful.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: So, yes, all of it.
Yeah. But for me, the biggest light bulb was actually, I can change all of this really quickly. Yeah.
Anna Hartman: I love it. Mm-hmm. Um, it's funny. Well, not funny. I mean, I'm not surprised you say that about the missing link too. The, just the first test of the LTAP is because, I mean, that's what I tell so many people. I'm like, literally, if that's all you do, like it's gonna get you kind of crazy results even on its own.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: So I want to tell you another story is I had a client with this neck pain really, really stiff. And turning to the right, she was like, it's just not going away. Headache awful. And LTAC directed me to the left lower limb, and I was like, she was like, Tony saw that. Yeah. I was like, can we just try it? It's like 10 Taylor Tilts.
Yeah. Can we just try it and I'm happy to put my hand up and go, that was not it. Yeah, for sure. But can, can we just try it because it's, it's 30 seconds.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Nick bit, her headache gone, didn't come back
Anna Hartman: crazy and also like, yep, not surprised. Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah,
Anna Hartman: the, the, can you, can we just try it thing I tell my athletes that all the time when they think like, what, this is not gonna work.
And I'm like, could you, I I, it reminds me, I have this very distinct memory of my mom and me and my sister at the local department store when we're like grade school age, and, um. The department store, it was called dailies. It was just this, in this old Victorian building. It was like a classic eighties department store.
And, um, she would pull out all these clothes for us back to school shopping, and I would be like, Ugh, I don't like those. Like, I don't wanna wear that. And she said she would say, Anna, humor me. Just humor me and try it. And then. You know, more than half the time when I would then humor her and try it on. I mean, she was right.
It did look good. It did fit me well. Like it was like, and I, we would buy it. And so that is exactly when you're, when it's like, seems so crazy that you're like, how is a lateral ankle tilt going to change such extreme headache and cervical range of motion? And then you're just like, well, the humor me and let's see.
And because. At the end of the day, yeah. It doesn't take very long. Like it takes like less than 30 seconds and it ha has potential for being like so powerful.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. And I sometimes will say it's, it's not a tattoo on your forehead. Come on. Yeah.
Anna Hartman: I love that. Yeah, exactly. It's not a tattoo on your forehead like it's come on.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. And most of my clients
Anna Hartman: can do hard things.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: We can do hard things and most of my clients. A lot of my clients are really rural, really just focused on, it's like they'll come in, I'll be like, it's so here. Can you fix it? And I'll be like, okay, cool. But can we just look at all of you? Yeah. Can we just step back?
'cause this is how I work. Yeah. That shoulder is a TA to something. Yeah. It's all, and I tell people it's all in the same container. Mm-hmm. Yes. So, um, so my, some people, I, I do think, oh, do you know what? I'm just not gonna try that with you today. Yeah. We've got you here. We are really lucky that you've attended your appointment.
We are gonna just go with what you're kind of expecting. Yep. But I would use it in more than 95% of my clients. Yeah.
Anna Hartman: I love that. Yep. Um, yeah. Yeah. Read the room. Sometimes you just, yeah. Yeah. Sometimes you're just glad that they showed up and that is a win for everyone today. We'll cross the other bridge on the next one.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. And sometimes I get the buy-in, I'm like, Hey, can we just do this quick test?
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And so, um, with backs, it's really great because it feels like a back test anyway.
Anna Hartman: Yes, it makes sense.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And so we don't have to. Address it. But if it's like an ankle or a
Anna Hartman: Like what
Storm Baynes-Ryan: wrist? The wrist. They're like, what?
Anna Hartman: What are you touching there?
My wrist.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Why? Why? Yeah. Tough. Yeah. So I say something like, oh, I'm just checking just to see how everything's working together and how it changes when you hold your breath. And we add some safety in there.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And it's a really nice way to just introduce it. I love that.
Anna Hartman: Um. What are, what would you say to other people that are like on the fence maybe about taking the course, um, specifically the online course, I guess too, since that is what your experience has been like.
What would you tell them?
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I would say that a really good way to see what the course is like is to try the missing link. Is that what you're still calling it?
Anna Hartman: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I would try the missing link. Yeah. But I would actually do the missing link. I would set aside some time. I would make sure I did the work.
Do it. Don't just sign up for it. Do it show up. Do it. And I would make sure I practice that test. I would practice everything and a suggested and I would get it done during that week.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Because that way you'll see and you need to have some clients to practice on. Yeah. You can't do this in a vacuum. Um, and that can be family, um, because you can check on them and just go, have you got any aches and pains?
And you can see if there's anything there. There's people around everyone's sore.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Um, so I would do the tests. And I, oh, the test. Sorry. The test, yeah. I would do the work and I would gain an understanding and I would ask questions in the Facebook group so that I really got a grasp of the missing link.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. And then.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: You will see if that's for you or not for you.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. Yeah. Because
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I think for me that's what it was like. It was like, it's definitely for me, I need to find the funding for that. Yeah. And now I need to make this work. Mm-hmm. And it's been, the value it's added to my clients is 100% worth it.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Oh, I love that.
Anna Hartman: I love that. Any, um. Uh, I mean, you're right. Yes. Sign up and actually do the course, step one, and then you'll
Storm Baynes-Ryan: know. Yeah. Then you'll know. Mm-hmm. That it's, it's like a tester. It's a free tester. Yeah. And if it works for you, then then pay.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. I feel like two, it's also a good tester of like one, not only just experiencing this lens of view and experiencing the LTAP, but also experiencing is online learning, right?
For you, right? Mm-hmm. Like if you go through the missing link and you're like, I love the information and I love the, you know, the challenge of the paradigm. But I don't love online learning. And then it's like, yeah, come to an in-person course. Like, figure out how you get to an in-person course. Yep. Um, if it, if, if it is feasible given like, you know, geographical limitations or, or financial constraints.
But it's like, you know, because then you have to take that into consideration too. Like, I hate, I actually really don't love online learning so much, but. Sometimes the constraints make it that it's like, well, my only option, so if it was my only option, I'm all in and I live in
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Gisborne, it's Yeah. A four hour drive anywhere.
Yeah. And so they, having a co doing a course in person is actually not really feasible. Yeah. Not, I love them. Not so people. Yeah. Not so easy to do.
Anna Hartman: Yeah. So I, um. I mean, and with that said too, and it sounds like you did a good job of it. I mean, you said your schedule was so busy, but you still like carved out the time during the missing link, but then during the LTAP two to like catch the recordings, um, you know, and the recordings worked better for you?
One, probably 'cause of the time difference, but then two, because the type of learning use. Supported and the schedule you had, you were able to put it on two times and like digest it faster, which I think that's one of my favorite pieces of online experiences too, is like, I mean, it's like a podcast. I don't listen to any podcast at one X.
I'm like, what? That? It feels like people talk so slow. So I'm like, yes. Yes, yes. One and a half X minimum. So, but, and on the flip side, there's people on the flip side that feels like one X is too slow, and so then they're like, slow it down. And like how cool that technology allows us to do that. And then also we can pause it and rewind it and then watch it again.
And then you have lifetime access. And like with the online LTAP, like we're getting ready for the next cohort and it's like you can come to the, you know, well you can come to live calls, but, or you'll have a whole slew of seven. More lectures about the thing that, and you know, you've learned from me long enough that, you know, I never say the same thing on like any presentation.
And so it's like you can just continue to like deepen your anatomy knowledge and deepen your like application of the principles and things like that. So there are some major benefits to the online learning too, as much as there's also limitations. So. I love
Storm Baynes-Ryan: that. Okay, cool. Well, I mean, the group is the other thing that I found really helpful.
Mm-hmm. Um. Because if I was a little bit stuck, like, or sometimes it was, I was a little bit stuck, but sometimes I was like, Hey, look at this really cool thing I've found. Yes. Or I've got up to here and I'm stuck with this bit. Yeah. And the group would come in and go, Hey, look, this is what I'm seeing. Or Have you tried this?
Or it became a almost like a. Case conference.
Anna Hartman: Mm-hmm.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Obviously we kept this all, um,
Anna Hartman: yeah. Confidential, anonymous, and con
Storm Baynes-Ryan: confidential, but mm-hmm. It was really helpful. Mm-hmm. When I, even though I still felt confident, it was nice to check my work.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, absolutely. I love that. Um. Well, this has been a wonderful talk is do you feel like there's, is there anything else that you want the Unreal Results Podcast listeners to know about?
Honestly,
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I think if I kept talking, we'd be here for another till three hours. I know, I know. And it would be nice to make this like. Quite concise for people.
Anna Hartman: Yes, I agree. Well, if they do wanna keep talking to you, um, how can we find you on the interwebs?
Storm Baynes-Ryan: So the best place to find me is on Instagram. So I'm storm LBR, that farming physio.
Anna Hartman: Perfect. And link it in the show notes so you don't have to memorize it.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Perfect. And I'm also on Facebook. Mm-hmm. Um. You just follow me there. Yeah. Um, and I would love to see anyone who's got any questions. I'm I happy to answer them.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Um, if we can find a way to make that work, Anna, I can, um, answer those questions.
Absolutely. We can make that, um, maybe anonymize those and then make them public. Yeah. So I can help. Absolutely. So I can help with, if anyone's got any questions, because I do work very differently in terms of. My geographical stuff. Mm-hmm. My online stuff. And also just seeing people of a different, um, a different group of people rather than specifically athletes.
Anna Hartman: Yep, yep. No, I love it. Um, yeah, absolutely. So people definitely connect with her and, um, actually yeah, too storm. I can always, this last, the last launch I made available. Um, slots for people who are interested to have like 15 minute calls with past participants. So if that's something that you're interested in, then um, I might hit you up on that too so people can just, I can do that kind of talk to you directly.
Um. But, uh, yeah, it's been great. I hope to see you, um, coming to Australia for sure in January and we're gonna try to make a New Zealand thing work and yeah, whether or not I teach in Gisborne, I wanna, like, now that you've sent me pictures and stuff, I'm like, right now I kind of just have to go there just 'cause it looks freaking beautiful.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Yeah.
Anna Hartman: So yeah, it's, it's,
Storm Baynes-Ryan: it's a bit different. Than other areas. It's very, very isolated.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And um, we, we often get cut off both ways. We can't get out of the district. Yeah. Because Ben Road, so it's a different area. It's, yeah. Yeah. It's, it's beautiful but kind of wild and rough.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Um, not, not at all.
Like you imagined. Not like, not like the south island. It's, yeah, it's kind of. Brutal, brutal farming. Um, wild bush, beautiful coastlines.
Anna Hartman: Yeah.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: It looks like we would love to have you, we would love to have you come and visit and we'll definitely go and see those stingrays Yes. And take you snorkeling at our marine reserve.
Anna Hartman: Yes,
Storm Baynes-Ryan: I definitely
Anna Hartman: wanna do that. So,
Storm Baynes-Ryan: yeah,
Anna Hartman: I was talking to Mickey about finding a spot to do a course in Auckland. Um, yeah, that's a little bit more better for travel. Um, way better. Yeah. So, um, but yeah, I mean if I, I was trying to put the Australia course and the New Zealand course together, obviously 'cause the flight, but then I was like, you know what, I've literally never been to either country before.
And so I'm like, that's doing a disservice to both countries to try to fit them all in. Uh, you know, a two week trip. Yeah. And so I'm like, no, I'm just gonna separate the times of year and you know, I'm still gonna go in the nice weather 'cause I don't like crappy weather. But don't come. No, don't come in.
Exactly. I was like, but you know, I can do Australia at the beginning of the year, maybe New Zealand towards the end of the year and, um. Then like, have a proper visit because you know, now I wanna visit you. I wanna see Mickey, I've got Philip Beach down in, um, Wellington that I need to visit to. So it's like,
Storm Baynes-Ryan: yeah, yeah, yeah.
Got there some really, there's some really cool places we can go.
Anna Hartman: And I've got wine to drink in New Zealand and I've got, this one has some
Storm Baynes-Ryan: very good wine.
Anna Hartman: I've got ocean things to see, like there's a lot to do and, and same with Australia. So I definitely need to go and I can, I can only imagine that once I do that flight once I'll be like, oh, well that wasn't too bad.
I can do that again. So I hope so. I mean, I spend so much time on a plane, you would think one wouldn't care, but I still am like, oh, it's so far away. Which is like, I mean, I don't know if Mickey listens to my podcast, but I'm like, shout out Mickey, because she comes to every, um, we have business masterminds every like, at least two times a year, if not three times a year.
And she's at everyone. I'm like, you just come, you just hop on a plane from New Zealand. Like it's nothing.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: And she doesn't even treat, like it's not even a holiday. She's out there and she's working and she just keeps, keeps everything going. She's amazing.
Anna Hartman: She is amazing. So I'm just like, wow, if Mickey can do it.
And she never seems like when she comes, like I know she comes in early enough that she deals with the jet lag, but I'm like. She never seems to be like tired from the jet lag. And I'm like, you just fly to California, to Nashville, all the places we're at and like just acts like a normal human. So, which actually I am, like maybe she doesn't, maybe when I visit her in New Zealand, maybe I'll see a totally different side of her.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Oh, the mind boggles. Yes,
Anna Hartman: exactly. So. All right. Well I've taken enough of your time. I really appreciate you being here. Hopefully the whole video recording turns out good for us. If not, we'll do it again. We can do this again. This is easy and fun. Exactly. So, um, yeah, thank you so much and, uh, we'll talk soon.
Storm Baynes-Ryan: Thank you, Anna. It's been really cool.
Anna Hartman: Yeah, yeah, no problem.